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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2012.09.10 10:53:00 -
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I've visited Rancer yesterday. Wasn't even half as bad as people often claim it is. :D Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
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Posted - 2012.09.10 10:55:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Maybe someone can explain what exactly the problem with low-sec is? I for one am enjoying it Easy. Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
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Posted - 2012.09.10 10:59:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Haha i went to rancer as well to check it out, because it sounded like the shithole of eve. Wasnt very busy tho, but there were evidence of recent ganks and what not That's daily business there. When i went, there were at least 20 members of negative ten inside. Actually nice people, had no issues with them. Didn't even get blobbed.
And Rancer is *beautiful* !
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:13:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Souisa wrote:Maybe someone can explain what exactly the problem with low-sec is? I for one am enjoying it Easy. Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space. I take it you spend most of your time in hi-sec then good sir? That was predictable, stupid and doesn't work the way you want it to work.
I'm the -10 who flys around in Hek all day long, being a target for everybody, which is great.
If *you* had that experience, you'd notice how cowardly people are by shooting me and then, when i can come after them, they either dock or leave the system until the timer is up.
You're welcome to come to Hek and check it out all for yourself.
Why do you think people are crying over the simple idea of the new CrimeWatch ? They'd have to accept the consequence of being FFA and that's *NOTHING* these cowards would want to happen ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:15:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Souisa wrote:Maybe someone can explain what exactly the problem with low-sec is? I for one am enjoying it Easy. Most people are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space. Fixed. Same goes for stationhugging low seccers, bears possing up in holes and null. Amusingly enough, each and every single area in the game appears to be full of them. I can't argue with that, but i thought the context was highsec people being too afraid to go to lowsec. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:19:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:Completely agree with that as well. Used to be one of them, scared to lose anything even slightly expensive and now having much more fun than I thought possible with the game. Congratulations ! :D
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:24:00 -
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Souisa wrote:I find it amusing how basically every 0.0 alliance is recruiting. It didnt always use to be like this. If someone wants 0.0 they can basically pick any alliance they want and gogo I never understood why anybody would want to live on an island full of friends in 0.0 with occasional* bigfights, instead of living in highsec where there are THOUSANDS of people to terro... have fun with, every single day.
I, for one, prefer to be a target than to sit on an island full of friends.
* of course it varies, but in the end when you're surrounded by blues, what's there to do ? You can argue about this, but alliances collapse also because of boredom, because there's nothing more to do. Hi Goons, come to highsec ! :D Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:58:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Well first of all, this hot debate about low population in lowsec didint start hisec dwellers. Low/null dwellers did. Hiseccers just pointed that this low population is mainly because of gatecaps. You cannot have high population in lowS when lowsec dwellers dont let them pass in. They are not affraid to lose ship in belts, doing l4-5 or other activities in lowsec. They are just disgusted being ganked soon as they enter into the lowsec by blob "elite PvP" camp.
That's what they say, but it's bullcrap. Those who want can get into lowsec easily, those who don't wine about camps. If one can't make it solo ... well d'oh ... but if they can't even group up ... it's only their fault.
Just because they say it's the camps, doesn't mean it's not their fault for not fighting to get through. If you now want to argue that they might not want to fight, then there's no point in going to lowsec *at all*.
Quote:According the Rancer. Your one time visit conclusion that it is not as messy as rumors said is statisticaly unreliable. Im traveling through Rancer on daily basis (jita-hek trading in cloaky industrial) and its camped 80% of all time i pass through. I agree that this one-time-event isn't statistically reliable, but that doesn't change anything. You may not know, but people keep complain about whatever seems fitting, ignoring the fact that they have a worthy chance of moving *anywhere they want* given they *fight for their right to do so*.
Quote:"Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space."
Cowards? Loudmouths? Please check aggain what kind of dwellers blob camping gates and station exits. Also check General disscussion from the last month. I cannot remember when did i lass saw soooo much tears from "l33t-ers". So ? Does that change anything ?I was talking about *highseccers* and never said it's highseccers *ONLY* who are cowards and bigmouths. It just seems that the majority of these live in highsec, which seems to be a perfectly valid claim because there are more people in highsec than in lowsec and highsec also contains those players who rather not fight, else they'd move to lowsec !
If you have issues with blobs, you have issues with the simple fact that humans tend to group up. That's standard human behaviour. That they might act like complete retards is a totally different thing. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.11 09:28:00 -
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Some of this "myth" might come from carebear-ats sitting in starter-corps/-systems and ruining the noobs ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
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Posted - 2012.09.11 10:20:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Souisa wrote:Just go to 0.0 if you dont like sec status loss Quite a stupid reasoning. Sec loss doesn't actually add anything nor does it actually prevent anything in regards to lowsec, it actually prevents some from PVPing in Lowsec. So if it actually has no effect in low sec then why is it gained in there? Saying just go to 0.0 is a lazy rebuttal. Try harder. There should be consequences for attacking someone in low-sec. At least there should be a way to distingush the dedicated pirate from the industry or exploration guy or what have you. If you really want PVP with no strings attached there is already a place like this and its 0.0 And could you care to give a reason about why *you* believe there should be a secloss in lowsec ?
It doesn't make sense and it *does* discourage noobs from fighting in lowsec, because most *have* to rely on highsec to make money. Well, actually, almost everybody i've seen who's above -5 relys on highsec to make money ...
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Posted - 2012.09.11 10:24:00 -
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We need to force carebears away from noobs. These decadent, spoiled, diaper wearing sissies shouldn't ruin the game for people who don't even know how it works ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:24:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Solstice Project wrote:We need to force carebears away from noobs. These decadent, spoiled, diaper wearing sissies shouldn't ruin the game for people who don't even know how it works ... I don't even think it's the community that ruins the experience for new players, it's the game mechanics. New player starts they have limited isk and trained skills, so they set out to train up skills as quickly as they can which means investing their limited resources (isk) in learning implants. As soon as they've got those implants they're trapped in high-sec as they can't afford to lose them and they don't have access to jump clones because it takes time to get 8.0 standing with a corp. I know that some corps offer services for jump clones but they would have to leave the starter corp which they can't get back to which is not good for a new player. Make an alt, sit in startercorp for a while, observe yourself. The most influence is to be had in the early days, in startercorps. Dare and try talking about lowsec. ^_^
Drop starter corp, make your own, join noobcorp. Dare talking about lowsec.
You do the mistake most people do. Blame a game about how people make choices, instead of blaming the people for their choices and trying to correct them. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:52:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:Solstice Project wrote:We need to force carebears away from noobs. These decadent, spoiled, diaper wearing sissies shouldn't ruin the game for people who don't even know how it works ... I don't even think it's the community that ruins the experience for new players, it's the game mechanics. New player starts they have limited isk and trained skills, so they set out to train up skills as quickly as they can which means investing their limited resources (isk) in learning implants. As soon as they've got those implants they're trapped in high-sec as they can't afford to lose them and they don't have access to jump clones because it takes time to get 8.0 standing with a corp. I know that some corps offer services for jump clones but they would have to leave the starter corp which they can't get back to which is not good for a new player. Make an alt, sit in startercorp for a while, observe yourself. The most influence is to be had in the early days, in startercorps. Dare and try talking about lowsec. ^_^ Drop starter corp, make your own, join noobcorp. Dare talking about lowsec. You do the mistake most people do. Blame a game about how people make choices, instead of blaming the people for their choices and trying to correct them. edit: That was written in a haste. You *may* be partly right about the implants, although i thought they get them with tutorial missions ? I still haven't run the new ones ... Most new people aim for +3 implants because although expensive for a new player they're achieveable given sometime to gain the isk and of course only need lvl 1 in cybernetics. It's this coupled with no access to jump clones early on that tends to prevent new players from exploring more dangerous areas. You are right about people in high-sec corps warning people about low-sec but this I don't think would be enough to put of a new player from exploring if they had jump clones available at a much earlier stage of the game. Ah, i understand now ... and agree. A way for people to save their implants could help ...
But i still believe that, if we want more people in lowsec, we simply have to grab the noobs. Teach them how to survive, teach them how to make money, teach them the fun of killing things and prevent them from getting spoiled diaper-shitters.
In the end, there's only so much that can be done via a change of game mechanics, compared to showing noobs that it's not even half as bad as the diaper-shitters claim it to be. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

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Posted - 2012.09.11 12:08:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Souisa wrote:Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out well. reason for opinion "Low sec is broken" isn't that low-sec is "too dangerrous".... Problem is: there is not so much cookies in there. As 0.0-person i only use low-sec for hauling stuff from empire to 0.0 and back. (added farming FW LPs few days ago :D). And again, this isn't true at all. CCP has tried times and times again, REWARD DOES NOT GIVE PEOPLE MORE INCENTIVE TO GO TO LOWSEC, because there is no guarantee for them to actually gain it without losing anything ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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